The Velveteen Rabbit and Old Home Movies: What Is Real?

The Velveteen Rabbit and Old Home Movies: What Is Real?

Documentary First: The Deep Dive · built from Episode 287 with Phil Maher · 16 minutes · October 15, 2026

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Why did a stuffed rabbit come to mind when Phil Maher talked about old home movies?

On Christmas Day, 1986, in her family's home in Arlington, Virginia, Christian Taylor was 17 and her littlest sister, Annie, was three. Annie had been given The Velveteen Rabbit as a book and cassette, read by Meryl Streep with George Winston playing underneath. Annie fell asleep in Christian's lap not long into the story. Christian, who had never heard it before, kept listening and found herself crying. It became her favorite story to read to children, and she tried every time to sound like Meryl Streep.

In this Deep Dive on Documentary First Episode 287 with Phil Maher, Christian picks up on something Phil said about the old home movies he collects at Stockfilm: he keeps the scratches and the dust, because they make the footage feel "original and real." That line sent her back to the Skin Horse, the old toy in the nursery who tells the Rabbit that becoming real is something that happens to you when you are loved for a long time.

From there Christian follows the idea into the questions facing anyone who makes films or keeps a family archive now: what happens to our sense of history when tools can make footage of things that never happened, why she is setting up storage at home while the drive holding her film The Girl Who Wore Freedom fails, and why so many people want to own the album or the CD again. She closes with practical steps for the box of reels in the closet, and with the end of the rabbit's story.

In this Deep Dive, Christian explores

  • How a book and cassette on Christmas Day, 1986, became Christian's favorite story to read to children
  • What the Skin Horse tells the Rabbit about becoming real, and why it brought a lump to Christian's throat at 17
  • Why Phil Maher keeps the scratches and dust in Stockfilm's home movies, and why he thinks of himself as a steward of the families on those reels
  • Why the imperfection in a film can be what lets an audience believe it
  • Where Phil draws the line on AI: he uses it to date and search footage, never to alter it
  • Why Phil says filmmakers who use AI to recreate a moment in history should tell their audience
  • Why Christian is setting up a NAS at home while the RAID drive holding The Girl Who Wore Freedom is failing
  • The difference between owning a movie and licensing it, and why people want physical media again
  • What to do with old reels, tapes and slides: digitize them, keep the originals cool and dry, and keep copies in three places

Questions and answers

What does the Skin Horse say about being real in The Velveteen Rabbit?

In Margery Williams' book, the old Skin Horse tells the Rabbit, "Real isn't how you are made," and "It's a thing that happens to you." A toy becomes real when a child loves it for a long time, not just to play with. By then most of its hair has been loved off and it is shabby, but once you are real, the Skin Horse says, you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand.

Why leave the scratches and dust in old home movies?

Phil Maher, founder of the home movie archive Stockfilm, keeps his footage close to the original, scratches and dust included. He says, "It makes it feel original and real, and that it was difficult to capture stuff in the past, and that this is how it looked." In this Deep Dive, Christian Taylor says the flaws tell you somebody really stood there with an 8mm camera, and that filmmakers should leave the scratches in when they tell the truth.

Should filmmakers tell audiences when they use AI to recreate history?

Yes, according to Phil Maher of Stockfilm. He uses AI to help date the footage in his archive and make it easier to search, but he keeps the footage itself untouched. "I think keeping the actual footage 100 percent real and not altering it with AI is super important, because that's the historical record," he says. If a filmmaker uses AI to recreate a moment in history, Phil says, the audience should be told. Christian Taylor agrees and thinks viewers will trust the film more for it.

How should filmmakers back up their footage?

Phil Maher keeps everything in three places: on-site, in the cloud, and in an off-site location that isn't connected to the internet at all. Christian Taylor is copying that system at home. She has spent weeks setting up a NAS, network-attached storage, because the RAID drive holding her film The Girl Who Wore Freedom is failing and years of her work are on it. Her advice to filmmakers is to keep original masters in three different locations.

Do you own a movie you buy on Apple TV or Amazon?

Christian Taylor says no. When you buy a movie on Apple TV or Amazon, she says, you are only licensing it, perhaps for an extended time, even though the store says you own it. She has had many conversations lately with people who feel the same way about films, music and art, and who want to own the album or the CD again. Phil Maher makes a related point about archives: the cloud can go away, so physical media is the real backup.

What should I do with a box of old home movies in the closet?

Don't throw them out. Phil Maher told Christian Taylor that is how so many family memories get lost: they sit in a closet in a format nobody knows what to do with until someone throws them away. Christian suggests getting them digitized, as she did with her own slides and reels, while holding on to the originals and keeping them away from heat and humidity. You can also contact Phil at Stockfilm about donating footage.

Chapters

  • 0:00 The Velveteen Rabbit, Christmas 1986
  • 4:21 What Is Real? The Skin Horse
  • 6:34 Scratches, Dust and AI Footage
  • 9:40 Why Physical Media Still Matters
  • 13:50 The Splendid New Bunny

About the topic

The Velveteen Rabbit, by Margery Williams, was first published in 1922 with illustrations by William Nicholson. It is in the public domain in the United States and free to read on Project Gutenberg. The 1985 Rabbit Ears Productions recording, the one Christian heard as a book and cassette in 1986, was narrated by Meryl Streep with music by George Winston.

Near the end of the story, the boy falls sick with scarlet fever and the doctor orders the rabbit burned with his other toys. "Get him a new one," the doctor says, and the boy is given a splendid new bunny. Christian sees a lot of splendid new bunnies around us: shiny, perfect, and some made in a matter of seconds. But the old rabbit becomes real to everyone, and the spots where he was loved still show through.

About Phil Maher and Stockfilm

Phil Maher founded Stockfilm in 2015, after digitizing his grandfather's 8mm home movies. It is the world's largest home movie archive, with over 200,000 clips from the 1930s to the 1980s. Phil keeps every physical reel after scanning and uses AI to search and catalog the archive, never to alter the footage.

The source episode

Archival Footage: Why Use Home Movies?, Documentary First Episode 287 with Phil Maher, founder of Stockfilm. Read the episode page: Archival Footage: Why Use Home Movies?.

About Documentary First

Documentary First is a weekly podcast about the people behind documentaries and how the work changed them. Host Christian Taylor, director of the award-winning The Girl Who Wore Freedom, talks with filmmakers, distributors, entertainment lawyers, actors and more, from Ken Burns and PBS American Masters creator Susan Lacy to first-timers, across more than 290 episodes. Each week brings one of two formats: a long-form conversation with the people behind films for HBO, Netflix, PBS and independent film, or The Deep Dive, where Christian takes one insight from a recent conversation and follows it wherever it leads. Listen Notes ranks the show in the top 5% of all podcasts worldwide. New episodes every week. Follow the show · About the podcast · Support the show on Patreon

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Christian Taylor 00:00
When you are real, shabbiness doesn't matter. That was 40 years ago, come this Christmas, and that line has never left me.

Christian Taylor 00:11
Have you ever held on to something old and worn because it meant something to you? An old crumpled or torn photo, a recipe card with a stain on it, or a box of old home movies sitting in the back of a closet? Well, if so, then this episode is for you. This week, I want to talk about why so many of us are reaching for real things right now, and why I think that reaching is so worth paying attention to. And if you make films, I think you'll walk away with a few ideas about how you can keep them real. I'm Christian Taylor, host of the Documentary First Podcast. Last week on Documentary First, I sat down with Phil Maher, who founded Stockfilm, the world's largest home movie archive, with over two hundred thousand clips from the 1930s to the 1980s. And he told me something about those old reels that's really had me thinking. Listen to what he said.

Phil Maher 01:08
We like to keep it pretty strict to what the original was. Having the scratches, having all the dust particles and what was originally filmed, makes it feel like you're there. It makes it feel original and real, and that it was difficult to capture stuff in the past, and that this is how it looked.

Christian Taylor 01:36
It makes it feel original and real. When Phil said that, I have to be honest, for just a moment, I was distracted. My thoughts took me back to a little stuffed rabbit who longed to become real. Let me explain. It was Christmas Day, 1986, in my family home in Arlington, Virginia. I was 17, and my littlest sister, Annie, was three. And it was that time of day, mid-morning at Christmas, when there's this restful lull between the unwrapping of Christmas presents and the Christmas meal. And Annie was sitting in my lap, and we were experiencing one of the gifts she had been given that Christmas, a delightful book called The Velveteen Rabbit. Now, this book came with a cassette tape. Now, for you youngsters out there, this cassette tape was a device that had largely displaced the 8-track by that time. Side note: the 8-track had stolen shares of the vinyl album industry by that time, and cassettes were coming right before the compact disc, aka the CD. But I digress. Back to The Velveteen Rabbit. Now, not too long into the story, my little sister fell sound asleep. But I was entranced by what I was hearing. Well, it's no wonder: the voice reading the story was Meryl Streep, and George Winston was playing the soundtrack underneath. Who couldn't be entranced? Additionally, I'd never heard the story before, not once. And it really moved me. Before I knew it, I found myself crying. It obviously touched something deep inside me. And from then on, it became my favorite story to read to children. And truth be told, every single time I read it (not that I succeeded), I tried my best to sound just like Meryl Streep. She was my hero. Now, if you don't know the story, here's the heart of it. A toy rabbit made of velveteen, just like this, shows up in a little boy's stocking on Christmas morning. He was set, wedged, in the top of the boy's stocking with a sprig of holly between his paws, and the effect was charming. He's new and splendid; he's fat and bunchy. But then he gets forgotten, and the fancy mechanical toys look down on him. The only one in the nursery who's kind to him at all is an old toy horse called the Skin Horse. The Skin Horse has been there longer than anyone else. His coat is so old that it's bald in patches, and you can see the seams underneath. One day, the little rabbit asks him a question. "What is real?" asked the Rabbit one day, when they were lying side by side near the nursery floor, before Nana came to tidy the room. "Does it mean having things that buzz inside you and a stick-out handle?" "Hmm. Real isn't how you are made, said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you. When a child loves you for a long time, not just to play with, but really loves you, then you become real." "Does it hurt?" "Sometimes," said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful. "When you are real, you don't mind being hurt." "Does it happen all at once, like being wound up, or bit by bit?" "It doesn't happen all at once. You become. It takes a long time. That's why it doesn't often happen to people who break easily, or who have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally, by the time you are real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out, and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are real, you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand." When I heard those words at Christmas, I suddenly got a lump in my throat, my eyes began to sting, and my palms became all sweaty, because I knew there were deep truths in the words of the Skin Horse, as young as I was. And later in the story, before the boy has loved that rabbit so hard that his whiskers are gone and his spots have faded, the book says this: The Rabbit didn't mind how he looked to other people, because the nursery magic had made him real, and when you are real, shabbiness doesn't matter. When you are real, shabbiness doesn't matter. That was 40 years ago, come this Christmas, and that line has never left me. Now let's go back to what Phil said. He keeps the scratches; he keeps the dust. He doesn't polish those reels until they look like they were shot on an iPhone, because the flaws are what tell you this thing really happened. Somebody really stood there with an 8mm camera, trying to get the exposure right, at a first communion or a Christmas morning or a family vacation, and pointed it at the people that they loved. Phil told me he has seen hundreds of Christmases on those reels. Hundreds. And he says he thinks of himself as a steward of these people's lives. I just love that. These aren't famous people. They're families. And Phil is the one making sure somebody remembers them. That's the same kind of real the Skin Horse was talking about. It isn't about how something was made. It's about what happens to it and who loved it along the way. And you don't have to be a filmmaker to feel this. When you see a flickering, scratchy home movie of a family opening presents in the 1950s, you know you're looking at something true. And for anyone who makes films, this is worth remembering the next time you're tempted to clean everything up. Sometimes the imperfection is the very thing that lets your audience believe you. So why does this feel so urgent right now? Well, I don't have to spell it out for you. The reason is obvious. We now have tools that can make footage of things that never happened: a face that never existed, a street that was never filmed, a moment in history that nobody was there to see. And it can look completely real. Now, I don't want you to misunderstand me. I'm not against AI, and Phil isn't either, not at all. He uses it to help date the footage in his archive and to make it easier to search, but he does draw a very clear line, and I want you to hear it in his own words.

Phil Maher 08:41
I think keeping the actual footage 100 percent real and not altering it with AI is super important, because that's the historical record. That's stuff that happened. That's giving trust in the footage and trust in people.

Christian Taylor 08:56
Trust in the footage and trust in people. I think that's what's at stake here for all of us, filmmakers included. If we can't tell what really happened from what was made to look like it happened, we start to lose our hold on our own history: our grandparents' Christmases, our hometowns. And as I said to Phil on the show, if we were to lose all of that, I think we would lose a part of who we are and who we were. Phil said one more thing that I really appreciated. He said that if you do use AI to recreate a moment in history, you gotta tell your audience. Be honest about what's real and what isn't. And I agree with him. I think he's right. Which brings me to my house. For weeks now, I've been setting up something called a NAS. That stands for network-attached storage, and it's basically a big hard drive system that lives in my home instead of only out there in the cloud. And I'm not doing this because I'm some sort of computer geek; far from it. I'm doing it because I have so much precious film footage, and I don't want to lose all of my work. The drive that holds my film currently, The Girl Who Wore Freedom, is a RAID drive, and it's failing. Years of my work are on that drive. So I've been doing exactly what Phil is talking about: making sure I have copies that I can actually put my hands on.

Phil Maher 10:20
Obviously, the cloud can go away in a lot of cases, in the sense that you don't really own it. If a data company blows up, it's gone forever. Having the physical media is important because you have the real backup.

Christian Taylor 10:40
I said this in our interview, and I'll say it again here. When you buy a movie on Apple TV or Amazon or wherever, you're not really owning anything, even though it says you are. You're only licensing it for an extended time, perhaps, but it's still just a license. And people are wising up to this with films, music, and even art. I've had so many conversations lately with people who feel the same way. They want to own the album again, or the CD. Heck, I've been thinking about The Velveteen Rabbit so much lately, and it's really made me want that 1986 book and cassette more than ever before. Things have gotten so unreal these days that people are longing to meet in person rather than just on a screen. Phil noticed something on those reels that I kept thinking about. One of those things he sees again and again is people dancing. Not just at weddings: in their basements, at Christmas, at any old get-together. Old people, young people, kids, everybody dancing together. He pointed out that they didn't have TVs to gather around or screens to stare at. And I have to tell you, when I watch those reels, I miss that. I think a lot of us do. And I think we feel the realness slipping away. So I think we need to choose to put real things back in our lives and in our films while we still can. So what can we actually do about it? Well, I have a few ideas. First, if you've got a box of old reels or tapes or slides sitting in a closet, please don't throw them out. Phil told me that's exactly how so many family memories get lost. They sit in a closet in a format nobody knows what to do with, and eventually somebody throws them out. So get them digitized. I did that with the slides and reels I had, but do hold on to the originals too, and don't let them get hot or humid. Go listen to the interview with Phil to hear more about how to take care of that media, and reach out to him. Maybe you want to donate your footage so he can keep it as well. Second, keep your copies in more than one place. Phil keeps everything in three: on-site, in a cloud, and in an off-site location that isn't connected to the internet at all. That's what I'm working to copy here at my house. And if you make films, leave the scratches in when they tell the truth. Keep your original masters in three different locations, just like Phil does. And if you ever use AI to show something nobody filmed, just be up front with your audience about it. I think they'll trust you even more for it. Hey, before I close, if this episode meant something to you, can you share it with just one person? Maybe the person in your family who has that box of home movies in the closet. And if you haven't already, follow Documentary First wherever you're listening to this, so you don't miss next week's conversation. And if you'd like to support what we do here, we have a wonderful Patreon community. All the information is in the show notes below. I'd like to close with one more part of The Velveteen Rabbit that I haven't told you about. Near the end of the story, the boy gets very sick with scarlet fever. When he gets better, the doctor orders that all the books and toy things he played with in bed have to be burned, including that shabby old rabbit. "Get him a new one," the doctor says. And so they do. That night, the boy has a new bunny to sleep with. The book says it was a splendid new bunny, all white plush with real glass eyes, brand new, perfect, and the boy is too excited about going to the seaside to care very much about it. I think about that new bunny a lot these days. We're surrounded by splendid new bunnies, aren't we? Shiny, perfect, and some of them made in a matter of seconds. It's so easy to put the old, worn-out things in a sack and leave them out back to be burned: the box of reels in the closet, the photo with the torn corner, the cassette tape, the old toys. But that isn't where the story ends for our little rabbit. The little rabbit cries a real tear, and the nursery magic fairy comes and makes him real, not just to the boy, but to everyone. And the next spring, when the boy is playing in the woods, two rabbits peek out at him from the bracken. And one of them, the book says, had strange markings under his fur, as though long ago he had been spotted, and the spots still showed through. Even after he became real to everyone, you could still see where he had been loved. It's just what the Skin Horse had told him back in the nursery: once you are real, you can't become unreal again. It lasts for always. I think that's what Phil is protecting in that climate-controlled vault of his: the scratches, the dust, the spots that still show through. My little sister fell asleep not too long into that story on Christmas Day in 1986. Forty years later, I'm the one who still can't stop thinking about it. So this week, would you go find your box of real things and take good care of them? I'm Christian Taylor, and you've been listening to Documentary First: The Deep Dive. And I'll see you next time. Bye, everybody.

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